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[shortstep123]

seriously, look at this forum...

a week or two ago i got a strongly worded letter from an un-named moderator here telling me that it was his job to maintain order on the boards, and that my insistence on high karma req and my general no BS policy was the problem.

i put it to you like this...  which is the real problem?

Karma begging, mouchers filling the gts board here with post after post of pictures they just yanked off of flickr?

or..

me, going around telling idiots to stfu, and encouraging high karma requirements from our wonderful, contributing members?

This board is great, I want it to be better.  If you want more previously unposted gts videos, then insist on higher karma!

Vote me, shortstep123, for Gts Board Moderator 2012!

[Melanthios]

Finally someone gets it...

Really, its a bit sad to see people posting like nine topics of three or four images they got from google or deviantart, then demanding karma and whining when people post videos with karma requirements. I earned my karma by posting and contributing something worthwhile, not some cruddy photo manip I found on GTS Booru.

[death99]

I have to agree with this. It's starting to become ridiculous to come on here at times to see this board flooded with 10+ topics from a newly registered (or lurker) poster with just images that came from image sites like giantessbooru or deviantart. I came here to see videos and comics and crap, not free images I can easily get to and or have already seen before.

[Otis011]

Yes, I totally agree with the above posts...there's too many leechers on here, crappy images, and overall bad material posted here. I, myself contributed much here and earned all my Karma points to access any and all the decent material posted here. What should we raise the Karma on our posts to? Just wondering what the actual contributors of this board think about, how high Karma should be raised to view decent material? I also would like to see this board improve and get more members to contribute good material.

[RawNuts]

The karma system only seems to raise problems; whenever I post something it will be without any karma restriction. Setting high karma restrictions only encourages these garbage posts to exist and flood the forums; making you a mod wouldn't help, who would you be to judge what is considered garbage and what isn't? Leechers will be leechers no matter what, trying to prevent it is like trying to stop piracy; forcing the leechers to post only results in this crap we keep seeing.

If you have content, post it and receive thanks from the members here; I don't know why people need some kind of incentive to share things. As it is, a lot of what is posted here is copy-written, paid material that is taken from a seller and distributed against their best interest. For anyone to believe that they deserve something more than a "thanks" for providing it shows entitlement issues.

I believe that you'll see a better board without any karma restrictions; it worked pretty well for the chans after all.

[gigagyu]

rawnuts has got it right. Karma is dumb. Especially for a board that receives little posts as it is. Post your stuff, I'll post what I got and everyone will be happy.

Honestly, giantess content is hard to find. Few people make it because it's a very exclusive sexual preference. People who make giantess content have to put a lot of time and money into making it, unlike straight up porn. You can't just buy a camera and fuck girls for a 100 bucks and record it. That's why Gary's material sucks. He's hit a roadblock where it's more profitable to make the same thing over and over again when it sells than to try and spend more money with better effects, props, models, etc. Also, when you cater to a small market, you're more protective of your investments because of the smaller returns you already receive. Which is why gary and other people in the business seek out boards like this and have their stuff removed, as is their right. and I don't blame them.

Basically, while this board is great and new stuff does get posted, it's more or less been tapped.

[lethalithuanian]

Well said, Rawnuts.

[Spartan24]

The karma system only seems to raise problems; whenever I post something it will be without any karma restriction. Setting high karma restrictions only encourages these garbage posts to exist and flood the forums; making you a mod wouldn't help, who would you be to judge what is considered garbage and what isn't? Leechers will be leechers no matter what, trying to prevent it is like trying to stop piracy; forcing the leechers to post only results in this crap we keep seeing.

If you have content, post it and receive thanks from the members here; I don't know why people need some kind of incentive to share things. As it is, a lot of what is posted here is copy-written, paid material that is taken from a seller and distributed against their best interest. For anyone to believe that they deserve something more than a "thanks" for providing it shows entitlement issues.

I believe that you'll see a better board without any karma restrictions; it worked pretty well for the chans after all.

This. Well said.

[highlander62ca]

Hear, hear.  Rawnuts is right.  You see all the posts because the starters are just trying to get their 25 posts in so that they can join the boards with those restrictions.  It is the posting limits and karma requirements that lead to that sort of thing.  If you watch and even go back in the posts, you will see the flurry of activity to get to the 25 posts, then it settles down. 

I think other members being more positive and supportive, and encouraging others to contribute is the way to go.  Most of the moderators are already doing  a great job of that.

[shortstep123]

wow.

"Setting high karma restrictions only encourages these garbage posts to exist and flood the forums;" -rawnutz

two things.  in a way your right.  i see your point.  however a) SAFF will ALWAYS have karma.. youre just not going to get rid of it.. and b)  if people didn't give points to those idiots, they would still be stuck on their first karma.. like we all were in the begining.  who is rewarding these assholes?

and as for my petition to become a mod, which is mostly a joke...  if i were running the joint, the gts board would be like the barefeet board - one main board with a series of sub-boards.  Im just spitballin' here but maybe... POV, FEET, VORE, PICTURES, and REPOSTS.  or something like that.  dont quote me.  i could do better given more time... but thats not my point.


Bottom line:  karma annoys leechers and encourages all of us to share.  when i started, karma pissed me off too, then i got some.  ya know how... BY POSTING SOME DECENT FUCKING PORN!

and ps... if it comes to down to a bunch of idiots filling up the board with their useless posts, BUT more overall new posts (cause karma works).. versus no karma reqs, and quiet boards - Im for the former rather than ther latter.

Karma works.  if you have none, you want it.  it gets you in the habit, at least at first, of posting valuable vids.  without it, that motivation doesnt exsist.

If every gts video had a karma req of 50, then every leecher on this board would shit outta luck, as i dont see anyone getting to 50 karma by posting straight crap.

... waiting for replies... BRING EM' ON!!! lol.

-stay classy

[gigagyu]

There there. Do you feel better now?

[megurineluka]

The karma system only seems to raise problems; whenever I post something it will be without any karma restriction. Setting high karma restrictions only encourages these garbage posts to exist and flood the forums; making you a mod wouldn't help, who would you be to judge what is considered garbage and what isn't? Leechers will be leechers no matter what, trying to prevent it is like trying to stop piracy; forcing the leechers to post only results in this crap we keep seeing.

If you have content, post it and receive thanks from the members here; I don't know why people need some kind of incentive to share things. As it is, a lot of what is posted here is copy-written, paid material that is taken from a seller and distributed against their best interest. For anyone to believe that they deserve something more than a "thanks" for providing it shows entitlement issues.

I believe that you'll see a better board without any karma restrictions; it worked pretty well for the chans after all.

Agreed.

[shortstep123]

also, my original post was more about karma than cluttered boards...  I agree (to an extint) with rawnutz about the clutter.  we could moderate our way out of the clutter by sweeping the boards daily, and brushing the bs into the appropriate sub-board... but all that is really beside my main point which is that karma works to encourage people to share, at least initially.

if anything the 50 karma req cap should be raised to like 200 or something.  to keep even the people like me wanting to post - the system works...

-cheers

[shortstep123]

There there. Do you feel better now?

you bore me.  the end

[shortstep123]

Basically, while this board is great and new stuff does get posted, it's more or less been tapped.

maybe that is why one might want to go to an effort to revive it.  and also you couldnt be more wrong about there not being "alot" of gts material... nowadays especiallys there is more gts material put out then ever before.  There are now hundreds of stores on kinkbomb, c4s, etc that put out new, quality gts every month.

.. indeed, there is "alot" of current, quality, and updated gts sources.. its this new thing called internet; perhaps youve heard of it?

[gigagyu]

Put karma restrictions if you want. Don't put them if you don't want. No one's saying get rid of karma, obviously that isn't going to change. What I'm saying is, calm the hell down. You're getting free porn, you really shouldn't be complaining about anything.

fo rizzzzzle bro, you gonna go there? You know, you're right, I have no idea what the interweb is. I'm actually still in 5th grade where simplistic rhetorical come backs are funny and I have to delete the browser's history every time I use it so mommy don't see where I been. I just happen to spend the majority of my time online not searching for porn.

[shortstep123]

Put karma restrictions if you want. Don't put them if you don't want. No one's saying get rid of karma, obviously that isn't going to change. What I'm saying is, calm the hell down. You're getting free porn, you really shouldn't be complaining about anything.

in fairness, i shouldnt complain.  I live in a country of excess, with miraculous medicine and technology everywhere i look, comforts beyond the imagine of a generation ago..

yet...  half of the country think the sun orbits the earth, a similar percentage thinks the earth is between 6 and 10,000 years old, escalating education costs, no guarantee of healthcare, racism and sexism are rampent, and donald trump is a success.

so maybe i have alot to appreciate, but also... maybe there are a few things worth complaining about.

is it really so bad that i want to see more contributions here?  is it really so bad that i want to try to perfect an imperfect system?

this whole thing reminds me of when any liberal says something about america they dont like, then moments later is being told, loudly, by some teabagging, conservative douche-nozzle that "if you dont like it, you can get the hell out!"  or "Go back to france, hippy!"  Trying times.

-cheers

[shortstep123]

fo rizzzzzle bro, you gonna go there?

Im as fo rizzzzzle, as a heart-attackizzle

[shadowkill55555]

It's good to share... I get it, but it's not everyone's life here... so I say karma levels of maybe 5 - 10 or so to see a post is okay... but when I see 20+ karma requirements I think that's a little ridiculous. (Even though I myself have enough karma)

Set the bar a good amount to encourage sharing.. but don't make it too strict where most will say fuck it and look elsewhere. Just my 2 cents.

[shortstep123]

It's good to share... I get it, but it's not everyone's life here... so I say karma levels of maybe 5 - 10 or so to see a post is okay... but when I see 20+ karma requirements I think that's a little ridiculous. (Even though I myself have enough karma)

Set the bar a good amount to encourage sharing.. but don't make it too strict where most will say fuck it and look elsewhere. Just my 2 cents.

I thank you for your polite and rational input.

I dont think saff has to be your life but a karma req of 20-30 doesnt take that long to get, as thats really only 4-5 videos... and that contribution gets you access to hundreds upon thousands of videos.  how many videos/shares did it take you to get 20 karma?  I can't imagine too many.

is asking people to contribute less than 1% the total number of videos they will ultimately download unreasonable, or unfair?  Imagine if that number was closer to 5%... imagine if, on average, people shared 10% of there gts material...  its making my rist hurt just thinking about it.

sharing vids here on saff is really easy, takes very little time, and gets you a wealth of other peoples porn... that doesnt seem like too much to ask.

[Killamockingbird]

Keep in mind no one mindlessly karmas spam posters. Look at all the flak Giggi is getting, think he's going to make the 20 K mark for what he's done?

[miniwillo]

Well there isnt too much for me to say... I have contributed almost nothing to this board with the exception of some collages I made and a video I saw...

I cant contribute much because quite frankly I get most of my material here.

I could re-post those videos and pics and stuff to get easy karma but I wont. The karma system bothers me, but I live with it. one day I will have 20 karma. And you can bet that if I post some material in this board it will be something you haven't seen before. Just my opinion!

Good night people!
Oh! I almost forgot... thanks everyone for sharing and sorry if I havent been more helpful in this board

[gigagyu]

in fairness, i shouldnt complain.  I live in a country of excess, with miraculous medicine and technology everywhere i look, comforts beyond the imagine of a generation ago..

yet...  half of the country think the sun orbits the earth, a similar percentage thinks the earth is between 6 and 10,000 years old, escalating education costs, no guarantee of healthcare, racism and sexism are rampent, and donald trump is a success.

so maybe i have alot to appreciate, but also... maybe there are a few things worth complaining about.

is it really so bad that i want to see more contributions here?  is it really so bad that i want to try to perfect an imperfect system?

this whole thing reminds me of when any liberal says something about america they dont like, then moments later is being told, loudly, by some teabagging, conservative douche-nozzle that "if you dont like it, you can get the hell out!"  or "Go back to france, hippy!"  Trying times.

-cheers

Oh SNAP.

To be fair, there's nothing wrong with wanting more contributions. I actually understand where you're coming from. I would love to see more contributions to this board. You made a good point I was unaware of: if there is other giantess material out there, maybe we should encourage people to post THAT stuff and not the material that gets taken down in a day and leaves a threatening message in our pm boxes.

I still would rather see less crap posts like giggifg12345433532's, so any way we can reduce the number of those posts would be awesome.

[r0nniel0ng]

@miniwillo: making custom collages is exactly the kind of thing I make karma for.

At others who whine about not enough new material: you are unimaginative. There are tons of ways to present new material. For instance, doing a really well organized rip of mamabliss.com for people's browsing and downloading pleasure. OR simply organizing many of the content we already have into a well named well categorized library. Certainly I know I would redownload some clips if they were well collected and organized. Or, be a great giver like miniwillo and make your own material. I do that as well as offering easy downloadable collections (which are probably all dead links by now). My own material is vore stories, which I don't even ask for karma for (or post haha, I just have it in my signature. I think). I have enough karma to see any video I come across, I don't need any more for bragging rights. Sorry if this is a bit of a ramble, I'm tired lol.

Mostly, please, please, stop spamming the board. Thanks. Seriously. Stop. Now.

Also, lets not resort to fighting. There's enough of that in the world, time can be better spent. For instance, uploading/finding new material!

[shortstep123]

Oh SNAP.

To be fair, there's nothing wrong with wanting more contributions. I actually understand where you're coming from. I would love to see more contributions to this board. You made a good point I was unaware of: if there is other giantess material out there, maybe we should encourage people to post THAT stuff and not the material that gets taken down in a day and leaves a threatening message in our pm boxes.

I still would rather see less crap posts like giggifg12345433532's, so any way we can reduce the number of those posts would be awesome.

I dont see any way to force people to buy anything other than garys bs (which if he reads this forum, i actually like alot of your stuff, the massive series was amazing).  

and im not sure that encouraging them to do so will work either, as iv been on that page for a while now.  im willing to continue on, but maybe what would help is like a sticky post at the top of the gts board with a list of links of good stores that no one has heard of yet.  We will likely even drive their traffic up, as new stores are discovered, and become popular here on the board.  i love win wins.

finally, to get rid of posts we need perhaps some new sub-boards, but we definitely need an active moderator to go around and sweep the misfiled posts into their correct subboard/trash.  karma works, use it.  just make some subboards, enforce their use, and have mods clean up the rest.

and if anyone who can do anything about this is reading, I volunteer. as im on the board multiple times a day usually.

[gigagyu]

I'm 99% sure posting links to any sites that aren't file-hosts is against the rules. The problem to me seems to be that we want more content, so we have karma to encourage more content, which encourages spamming, which spurs a minimum post count to view the board, which encourages less content and more spamming. So the question is, what's considered good content? I don't see a way around the problem, which is why I've been content with whatever the fuck.

And ronnieboi is right, there is more than one way to contribute.

[shortstep123]

The problem to me seems to be that we want more content, so we have karma to encourage more content, which encourages spamming, which spurs a minimum post count to view the board, which encourages less content and more spamming. So the question is, what's considered good content?

Karma doesnt encourage spam.  spam happens.  mostly as a result of the 25 post req.

If karma stay high, and with no 25 post req, the only people posting would be people with the hope of getting karma, or people who already have karma but still decide to share.  so then if the karma req is out of the reach of the leechers like say... 20-30ish... then all you have left posting is people who are trying to get to 30, and people who have 30, but still decide to share.

There simply arent any motivations left for someone to spam (which doesnt bother me that much anyway, and could be recitified by more subboards and proper management).  The remaining motivations only serve to encourage people to post at least until they have 30 karma.  after that your off the hook.  though really the cap should be much higher.

unless iv missed something crucial, there isnt an other angle to consider.  this debate ends here (at least for tonight).  karma works, use it!  its not what people want to hear, and i get that, but thats really not my problem.  its the right thing to do, if you want to see more quality gts material here... and thats all i really care about anyway.

final score board:

issue a) spammers. solution: remove the 25 post req all together.  plus subboards and mods.

issue b) more content.  solution:  high karma.


any questions...?

[Illuminator]

Maybe I'm the only one, but I think the karma system is fair, because you don't get auto-karma if you post something. You only get karma if the people like, what you share. So yes, there are always people posting free crap from free sites (giantessbooru) but they'll find out, that this don't bring karma and stop it after a while.
Removing the karma system won't stop anyone to post cheap pics.

To be honest: If there where no karma system, I had probably never shared my stuff, because I'm just a lazy dog. :-D
But something else got posted with karma restrictions I really wanted to see, which forced me to upload quality content.
So YES it worked!

Second thing is: on boards without any karma-system the downloadlinks get down very fast, because someone sees it an thinks: "oh no, the new video from [...] I'm a huge fan (or copyright owner), I don't want them to share it for free (because i paid so much for it ) - or else." So it's some sort of security which keeps downloadlinks alive a bit longer, becuase you already had to share quality stuff to see the link.

Third thing: a huge board like this costs money and bandwith, maybe some of you have recognized that this board is slower on special times usually when most people are at home (weekend). This is because of bandwidth, when many users visit the board at the same time. So if you remove the karma-system, more leechers will come (not only for giantess but general for all porn you can find here). So the board would be even slower and the admin would have a lot of more costs.

fourth thing: Karma system is only a problem to those, who haven't enough karma, yet. I've never heared someone whining about it, who has enough karma. SO GET YOUR ASSES UP AND POST WHAT YOU HAVE! Like I did. ;-P Get around 50 Karma
and all your board problems are solved. ;-)

At least my favorite posters: "I would post rare quality stuff, but the karma system bothers me" - Yeah sure, who would believe this. XD --> Share your great quality stuff or go elsewhere.

Just my opinion.

[shortstep123]

To be honest: If there where no karma system, I had probably never shared my stuff, because I'm just a lazy dog. :-D

Here here, I was/am the same way lol.  Thats why i think the karma cap should be raised to like 200 or something... cause of people like us

-cheers

[raven896]

I sent tazzy a pm about this problem.

In my opinion these posts should be deleted and karma set back to 0. I mean in some cases its so obvious.
I hate the min-max principle.

[raven896]

soo we're waiting.. (f5 bug)

[bluetouch2]

A big thank you to everyone who posted their feedback in this thread.   

I agree karma restrictions can encourage karma begging and low quality content from some members.  Yet, it can also encourage content which is popular with the majority. 

Most importantly, karma restricted content encourages members to donate.

Please understand SAFF does not operate for free.  The forum relies on member donations to help pay for operating costs.  Originally karma restricted content was intended as an enticement for people to become VIP members and receive immediate access to karma restricted links.

However, since SAFF is a free forum, it is only fair to give all members an opportunity to access karma restricted links by sharing content, helping Staff, assisting other members, etc.

Sadly, the trade off is karma begging, some low quality content and illegal attempts to karma boost.

If memory serves, the maximum karma restriction was reduced from 100 to 50 because many members are not karma giving.  I am sure most uploaders will agree with me in this regard.   

When I started posting, I reached 50 points within a few days because I posted content which was popular with the members.  Honestly, my personal tastes are not popular with the majority.  But I made an effort to review the boards before posting.  So if I can reach 50 points, then anyone can do it if they post with their fellow members in mind. 

For example, are you posting content you, yourself, would want to download?  If not, then you are wasting time and in return you will probably receive no karma.


Wikipedia excerpt:




Now, it is possible to implement local rules for the Giantess Board designed to weed out undesired content.

To accomplish this, I think the first step is to create a Giantess Discussion sub-board.  Once created, members can give feedback regarding "what they want" or "what they don't want" on the Giantess Board.

Currently, Moderator tazzy is on extended vacation, but Giantess Board Moderator Huggz0r and I are at your service.  If your member majority requests are doable and are not in conflict with Forum Rules (last update April 18, 2024) I will try to make them happen.   

Now while on the subject of Forum Rules (last update April 18, 2024) please remember SAFF has a rule concerning respect for other members.  Obviously, we are all of different opinions and of different intellects.  However, we are all adults.  Name calling and insulting contributors' content will not win people to your side. 

Such flames are unnecessary and are not worthy of a SAFF member. 

Please remember, our Moderators are here to maintain order and to ensure members have a fun experience while enjoying the forum.  Should you receive a friendly PM warning from Staff, please respond respectfully by following their instructions. 

The Moderators' job is a thankless role.  If you have an issue with a Staff PM, please address it privately with that particular Moderator, or with me ... via PM only.

Do not express your dissatisfaction with Staff moderation in the public forum for all to see.  Such displays will not be tolerated.

Again, if you want a Giantess Discussion Board, please reply post in this thread and I will try to make it happen.

Best wishes & 

[Otis011]

The Discussion Board seems like a great idea!....should of had one sooner.

[bluetouch2]

Giantess Discussion sub-board created.

Giantess Discussion board.

Please read Let's talk about ... before posting.

Enjoy!  

[hotgirlz1100]

Yeah this forum sucks usually with crappy pictures and short cheap poser videos and videos that's been posted over 9000 times elsewhere. Sometimes, some really nice people will post new giantesszone videos, etc but those times are so few that when there is a brand new video here, my heart jumps a little

[SweetJuice]

is it really so bad that i want to try to perfect an imperfect system?

*facepalm*

This is the problem, friend. Everyone wants their own bullshit utopian world where no one steals, murders, or has any imperfections whatsoever. -Because we all know that can happen.

I've personally been against all the silly rules that are in place thus far. But from reading this thread, I have in fact come up with some realizations.

1: Having requirements creates spam.

2: Not having requirements doesn't motivate people to post.

3: Among spam, there is quality material.

4: If there is less spam, there is less possible quality material.

5: If you're willing to sift through the shit, then in the end, having requirements that create spam creates more material in the community.

6: The REAL contributors don't post material for karma. They do it because they want to share it with the community. All they need is that one force to push them to submit material for the first time. After that, they'll keep posting regardless of however much karma they have. (Given that those threatening messages they get in their inbox doesn't scare them away)

I agree that we need more sub-forums. I would say that we need more moderators to help us sift through the shit, but I don't honestly think enough material is posted to warrant more of them. Too: a finer moderating eye for detail means that more copyrighted material will be deleted (the only reason I even come to this site)

And I don't get the whole message-in-the-inbox deal. If you take away the copyrighted material, this entire forum would just be a plain shitty porn site (but RED! Ooohh) Deleting posts I can understand. -But scaring away contributors? What the fuck, mate?

[gigagyu]

Karma doesnt encourage spam.  spam happens.  mostly as a result of the 25 post req.

I can agree with you here. I wouldn't care about the karma restriction if the 25 post requirement wasn't applied. I came to this board before the 25 post requirement, so I'm not exactly sure how this affects new members. But it seems to me that most of these crap posts are in regards to people just trying to get their post count up. I do remember even myself posting multiple threads that could have been put in one thread, in an attempt to get more karma, not even for my post counts. So, at least in regards to spam, it would seem removing the 25 post restriction would solve a majority of the spam problem. I can't help but notice that a lot of forums have this post restriction, though. So I'm wondering what the point of this is.

[Babygirl100187]

I agree with all of you here. It 'could' be such a nice board. I mean it gets flooded with stupid pictures and all the good stuff gets lost cause nobody sees it...

I earnt my 25 with posting the big movies of giantessz0ne. Unfortunatelly, due to some PMs, i had to delete them all.

I also dont want to post new stuff, got 150gb of gosntess stuff and over 60gb of giantessz0ne stuff, cause all my stuff wouldget lost and nobody would see them agsin cause it gets pushed several pages back due to f*cking threads with 4 stupid pictures!

Anyways... I hope domething gets changed here cause i would love to post all the new movies...

[bluetouch2]

The 25 post count restriction is actually designed to slow spamming.  Here is how it works.

1.  New members with a less than 25 score have a ten minute wait restriction between posts.   This includes PMs too.

2.  New members with a less than 25 score cannot reply post or access download links on The Giantess Board because this board is post restricted.

3.  VIP members have instant privileges to post restricted boards and content.

[hapci]

agreed

Put karma restrictions if you want. Don't put them if you don't want. No one's saying get rid of karma, obviously that isn't going to change. What I'm saying is, calm the hell down. You're getting free porn, you really shouldn't be complaining about anything.

fo rizzzzzle bro, you gonna go there? You know, you're right, I have no idea what the interweb is. I'm actually still in 5th grade where simplistic rhetorical come backs are funny and I have to delete the browser's history every time I use it so mommy don't see where I been. I just happen to spend the majority of my time online not searching for porn.

agreed!

[Fumika]

The karma system only seems to raise problems; whenever I post something it will be without any karma restriction. Setting high karma restrictions only encourages these garbage posts to exist and flood the forums

The karma system did somewhat work better a long time ago when you had the ability to give negative karma on top of positive. But the problem with that are karma Bombs. Where a individual/s will throw a mega ton of negative karma at an another individual either for shits and giggles or just because they posed something that the karma bomb starter did not like.
If there was some kind of balance between the two that could be used and wouldn't cause any problems the Admin or moderator would have suggested adding back the - karma ability.

Yeah this forum sucks usually with crappy pictures

There is a rule where a topic with material must have at least 10mb or data to download. Unfortunately it is rarely implemented on photos. That is why when I was the moderator I said that topics that contain photos must contain at least 10 or more photos. To prevent people from spamming 1 photo topics. It worked up to a point, but did not fully solve the problem.

Karma doesnt encourage spam.  spam happens.  mostly as a result of the 25 post req.

Yes spam happens, and it will never go away. The 25 post restriction moved the view/download restriction from 0 to 25 in attempts to get new members or leachers to post. Because seeing members who have been on a site for months with 0 posts in unacceptable (leacher). When members started spamming 25 thank you's or what not, it was edited to topics.

Put karma restrictions if you want. Don't put them if you don't want.

When I post a topic I always add in some type of restriction just to piss off new leaher (Usually 5 or 10 karma). Unfortunately when a karma or post restriction is added it does effect new members as well. Also, a high post or karma restriction will cause spamming or lead to karma cheating. But if you choose not to add in any restrictions you will let the leachers do what they do best, leach.

Leechers will be leechers no matter what, trying to prevent it is like trying to stop piracy; forcing the leechers to post only results in this crap we keep seeing.

When the restriction rises the leachers meet the restriction and continue leaching until it rises again. We are stuck at a stand still, and it probably wont change anytime soon.

[shortstep123]

When the restriction rises the leachers meet the restriction and continue leaching until it rises again. We are stuck at a stand still, and it probably wont change anytime soon.

unless you put a high karma, that would be true.

high karma reqs keep people posting.  end of debate

you, me, him, her and whoever ALL would post more if we were constantly catching up to someone elses karma req.

period.

[eternal eclipse]

I actually disagree to some extent.  Although I don't usually come here for the pictures and games, sometimes people post good ones I don't have. 

I have no problem with newbies posting these to get their karma up, but I am hoping no one gives them karma for common junk and videos that they repost within the same month (unless requested). 

However, I do strongly support the high karma requirement push so that people have to share more to get their karma up high enough.

[shortstep123]

I actually disagree to some extent.  Although I don't usually come here for the pictures and games, sometimes people post good ones I don't have. 

I have no problem with newbies posting these to get their karma up, but I am hoping no one gives them karma for common junk and videos that they repost within the same month (unless requested). 

However, I do strongly support the high karma requirement push so that people have to share more to get their karma up high enough.

you baffle me sir...

why would you want to allow the leechers to post anything and get karma, yet your also for having higher karma?   the two thoughts seem opposed in most ways.

[eternal eclipse]

Because not all pics and games are necessarily garbage.  Some are new to almost all of us and are of high quality.  Some are even done by the poster rather than jacked from another site.  I give no karma to those who post recycled material off of giantesscity.com or the weekly giantessgarden.de update, but for those who post quality obscure material, I will give karma.

There are even pay sites for pics, like the 3D Virtual Giantess site and such. 

I figure those who post garbage will logically not get karma from others (if the system works) and those who post substantial material will get loads of karma. 

I have noticed that when the majority of the posted material requires no karma to download, only a small minority post anything at all.  When high karma is required, people start dipping into the material they've been hoarding to get their karma numbers up.  Either that, or karma begging, which is looked down on by other members.

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