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« on: June 17, 2016, 04:23:12 PM »
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For some time now, the posts to the snuff forum have been heavily dominated by those requiring a paid membership at a single file sharing site. The author of these posts has been kind enough to label them as Premium.  But with 90-95% of the posts there now of the premium kind, it has become a chore. Can we not get this separated into two forums, 1 premium only and the other not?

I know the temptation is to respond by saying that then each persons favorite category will want the same treatment, and that would be impracticable.  And I agree.   But the situation at the Snuff forum has gotten to the extreme stage, so I hope you will consider it.
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    « Reply #1 on: June 18, 2016, 12:22:02 AM »
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    That is the whole point of requiring each topic to be properly labeled with the file host used.  So that everyone can plainly see, without even viewing the topic, what host is used.

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    « Reply #2 on: June 18, 2016, 03:06:36 PM »
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    Understood. And marking of the file host and whether it's free or premium is a great help in sorting through everything.  I only visit 4-5 forums at saff, so I can't say if the situation is the same everywhere, but of those 4-5, Snuff stands out as the only one dominated well over 95% by premium posts.  It wasn't always that way, and perhaps it will return to normal if this one very prolific poster moves on.  I am only pointing out the situation as it exists today.
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    « Reply #3 on: June 19, 2016, 06:42:47 AM »
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    This earnings-based vs. free sharing of content is not mixing well in that forum. It feels like structures are preset against us regulars over there, rules that work to encourage a endless flood of premium-only, border-line spam posts that proliferate unchecked. 

    This behaviour is perpetrated entirely at the hands of two individuals 99 percent (Not an hyperbole), of posts on that board are theirs. Always premium-only. Us free contributors are getting drowned out by the sheer volume.

    (Unlike them, we free contributors don't have a financial incentive to posts at such a high rate — incidentally, when I supplanted some premium-only posts, adding free urls, the guy laughed at my efforts, saying this board accounts for only 14th in his "earnings." But I still fear that he doesn't like me now!)

    Anyway, they can have a board, they can have that board, that's fine. But please give us one, too. A sub forum for non-premium contributions. The rules are not working out for and being taken advantage of in this, otherwise, tiny board. We need help.
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    « Reply #4 on: June 19, 2016, 11:33:33 AM »
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    SAFF hasn't done this in the past, and I don't know that it will be done now.  I'm not the Mod of that board, and I hardly ever visit that board. 

    But I will point out that even if a new board is created, the current rules will still apply.  The first one that comes to mind would be Rule 9.  In other words, if content is already present on the "main" board as a premium link, it cannot be posted in the "sub board" as a free link (it still has to be posted as a reply to the original topic).  (So no one should be getting mad at anyone, that is clearly stated in the rules, to which everyone agreed to follow when the joined the forum)

    So the major factor here would be, is there (and will there be) enough unique content to populate the sub board to justify the effort of creating a sub board. 

    What will likely happen is people will simply start posting mirrors of content that already exist (as premium) in the new "free" board (or vice versa) and simply create a lot more work for the Staff to keep clean.
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    « Reply #5 on: June 19, 2016, 12:39:01 PM »
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    Thank you for your comments.

    Yes, I agree that two of our posters have monopolized the board, and I HAVE asked them to post non-premium links. However it is up to the member what filehost they use as long as it is approved here. This rule is SAFF-wide, not just on the Snuff board.

    This earnings-based vs. free sharing of content is not mixing well in that forum. It feels like structures are preset against us regulars over there, rules that work to encourage a endless flood of premium-only, border-line spam posts that proliferate unchecked.
    This was the downfall of many forums when the first pay-posters like filesonic and oron started up. Many of our good posters stopped posting for good, which just opened the doors for these sort of posters to start. This was when this problem we have here first started.

    A sub-forum for other posts would not work for the reasons outlined above by MrAngry.

    The Best solution would be for more "regular" visitors of the board to not sit back and leech, but actually post some content, so they would have less to post. There should be plenty of material to post (new or old material) as the "tiny" board is now less than 1/3rd the size it used to be. That would help break the monopoly of those two members.

    SO be apathetic and let the board continue as it is, or be Proactive and make the change yourselves.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 19, 2016, 10:05:07 PM »
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    SAFF is designed intelligently, but it is not the only game in town; and its downside is that it has allowed itself to get away with a lot: mixing premium and free sharing, the rise of the premium-only posters, and boards monopolized by them... That sucks for most.

    Who says I even want to contribute under such adverse conditions?
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    « Reply #7 on: June 20, 2016, 12:20:24 PM »
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    File host selection is an issue at most all of the forums that I visit.  There are numerous free hosts that don't work well (for me), especially if you want more than a single link (in a timely manner).  So choosing between a free link and premium link is no different.

    If everyone stopped downloading from the posters using premium links they would very likely stop using them (no profits with no downloads).  However, that is apparently not the case.



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    juestofafuest - What tool do you use to create all of the mirrors for your topics?  Or do you simply upload to each host seperately?
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    « Reply #8 on: June 21, 2016, 12:06:39 AM »
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    I just upload them individually. (My upstream is my friend.) Anyway, someone who makes a livelihood from preimum links is incredibly motivated to churn out volume.

    With a subforum, what's the worse that happens? Premium and non-premium posts may, on occasion, be duplicated. And we get to see the real size of the board, minus those two premium posters. (We'll see how many users they've driven away over the years that they've been given this free reign monopoly.)

    The odd duplicated post is not some SAFF-destroying cryptonite. The reality is that most of the ordinarily, non-premium contributors of a few years ago, they are no longer with us. Because of the volume of two premium-only posters who are more reminiscent of bots than real people.
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    « Reply #9 on: June 21, 2016, 01:24:10 AM »
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    I just upload them individually. (My upstream is my friend.) Anyway, someone who makes a livelihood from preimum links is incredibly motivated to churn out volume.

    With a subforum, what's the worse that happens? Premium and non-premium posts may, on occasion, be duplicated. And we get to see the real size of the board, minus those two premium posters. (We'll see how many users they've driven away over the years that they've been given this free reign monopoly.)

    The odd duplicated post is not some SAFF-destroying cryptonite. The reality is that most of the ordinarily, non-premium contributors of a few years ago, they are no longer with us. Because of the volume of two premium-only posters who are more reminiscent of bots than real people.

    the problem with your idea, is that it only applies to the snuff board or boards as you suggest.

    If we start with one board, other members will complain and we end up going back to the stone-age like porn-w and other sites, and end up merging boards.

    You also have to think of the time that moderators spare (They are REAL PEOPLE with REAL LIVES by the way) to try and help in patrolling the boards (we are still missing a lot of moderators btw).

    I see many members complain about the posts, but many of them have not even posted one post on the snuff board.

    If we have more participation from members (I know you try juest, and a few others), this will make a change.

    Unfortunately as a moderator, I cannot share any of the 0.6 TB files I have amassed from this board over the years. I'm sure there is still plenty to post (even if they are reposts of dead topics).

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    « Reply #10 on: June 21, 2016, 01:39:27 AM »
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    SAFF is designed intelligently, but it is not the only game in town; and its downside is that it has allowed itself to get away with a lot: mixing premium and free sharing, the rise of the premium-only posters, and boards monopolized by them... That sucks for most.

    Who says I even want to contribute under such adverse conditions?


    Surely if they are posting premium only links, they are shooting themselves in the foot if they are trying to make money out of downloads.

    A free mirror will help reduce their revenue, and willingness to keep posting on the board.
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    « Reply #11 on: June 28, 2016, 06:30:59 AM »
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    The money may not be in the download volume, it could be in the premium signup referrals.   Motivating someone sign up to a premium membership is incredibly lucrative to the filehost. When someone signs up to get a specific url or series of urls from a specific account, they kick back a small percentage. That's what he means when he says that board is '14th on his earnings' — earnings from people who signed up to download his premium-only links.
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    « Reply #12 on: June 28, 2016, 12:09:24 PM »
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    The money may not be in the download volume, it could be in the premium signup referrals.   Motivating someone sign up to a premium membership is incredibly lucrative to the filehost. When someone signs up to get a specific url or series of urls from a specific account, they kick back a small percentage. That's what he means when he says that board is '14th on his earnings' — earnings from people who signed up to download his premium-only links.

    That's speculation on your part.  Yes it does work that way with some hosts, but you don't know how he is making his money.

    Regardless, as noted above, if others are posting free links to the material, no one would be using his links.  Thus he wouldn't get money per download or referral.

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    « Reply #13 on: December 10, 2016, 10:37:38 PM »
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    hi!
    "don chixote" here Wink
    as first step we should unname that board - i don't like the word "snuff"!
    better a more gently name = "fantasy death" or "death fantasies". Cool
    i have got a lot of (free) downloads with my special 3d cgi art stuff but i have got only 2-5 karmas in a long time for that - that says a lot - this subboard is still a taboo especially with the word "snuff" in the headline!
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    it is true in some subboards dominate the premiumstuff  - more extreme stuff = more premium only links - good example for that are the scatboards.
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    hey one big german freestufflinks uploader for german mydirtyhobby ect. stuff has leaved this place for reasons i don't now - that hurts really!
    who can fill that huge gap?
    not me because i uploading and sharing stuff for fun not for moneymaking but it seems that this oldschool poster are dying out. Roll Eyes


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